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Posted 30 November 2004 - 04:30 PM

My percussion section is a massive disruption. We need this big drumline for marching band, and they work like dogs during that time. (2 new directors in a 4a semi-rural Oklahoma school) When it comes time for concert band, they're used to sitting around and goofing off. We, the new directors, can't stand this, but they resist. There are not enough parts for everyone to have a job. What should we do???

#2 joshg357

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Posted 03 December 2004 - 11:35 AM

I'm a percussionist so I know what it's like back there. If you double the students up on parts that'll atleast give them something to be doing (it'll also make the group sound larger, though you'll have to make sure that they keep the dynamics down. They don't even have to be playing the instrument, just counting through the parts. For instance, if you have a younger kid who is wanting to play snare or tenors on the marching line next year, you could have him counting through the snare part ((let them know that doing that is going to better their chances for actually getting on the instrument next year)).) The major thing about the talking is that once they start a discussion they'll keep it going throughout the entire practice, once they're in that mind set it's extremely hard to turn that off, so it's best to put it out before it ever get's a chance to start, so if you give them each little jobs before the practice starts, such as setting things up like the chairs and stands or the percussion instruments themselves then that'll keep their hands busy and hopefully the discussions from ever starting. Keep 'em moving, don't let them have more than a few minutes, seconds preferably, around eachother. Another thing that I've seen to work for the entire band is that you could tell the students that if they work diligently throughout the entire practice, no talking whatsoever between the pieces, then you'll let them have the last 5-10 minutes of the practice to talk with eachother. And if none of that works perhaps you could play up the maturity expectation: I bet if you told them that they were acting like children then they'd probably jerk out of whatever they were doing quickly, because some kids that age are trying to be adults and those are the one's that you have to put in charge of the section. Also play up the point that when they talk they are letting all of the other band members down, I know that works really well. But, all in all, you have to let them talk a little bit or else they're going to feel that band isn't any fun and they're just going to quit, so just be careful to not become a tyrant, but maybe do be a bit more firm with them (not in a way that makes them feel that you are angry with them, but just let them know that you want the best for them, you want them to have fun and be a successful group and that talking is not the way for them to achieve that. Just talk to them about it. My director never did that, but it might honestly have helped if he took away the student/teacher relationship and leveled with them about how destructive their behavior is to the band. Good luck. Hope everything works out.

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Posted 03 January 2005 - 02:26 AM

Assign parts (spreadsheet?) accordingly for each band number and have small ensembles with the remainder of the students in a separate room if you have the facilities. This is a common practice at our school - we just have to be on the same page with planning time for rehearsal, so the students are all actively participating.

Another simpler option is to double parts on mallet instruments (bassoon = bass end of marimba; oboe=vibraphone, marimba, etc. - be creative and omit sections as you would like for color). We do this as well, and it ensures more students play on concerts. Obviously this cannot work at contests, but is a great learning tool for them to get more experience on keyboards.

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Posted 12 January 2005 - 12:29 AM

I too am a percussionist but im one of those exceptions to the rule of percussionists always goofing off. Yet i tend to be the most bored. Here is why.

Percussionists have a completely different set of worries than a wind player. Lung capacity and emboucer(sp?) play no role in the technical aspects of our music. Instead the percussion section has to mainly worry about tempo sub-division and syncopation along with all the rudiments.

Things to correct this are as follows:

Have percussionist double on parts and force them to play all the instruments...keyboards, timpani, and snare. (aux is always good to know as well)
WARNING: Too much doubling causes your percussionist to think they arnt i important or that their only job is to mimick a wind instrument.

If your band is up to an advanced level there are lots of pieces that have wierd accent patterns and lot of percussion. This will keep them busy because their egos will kick in and they wont want to screw up.

You can also assign rudiment tests. This will help any percussionist tremeduously.

Have them learn different techniques and there are many
Timpani- french grip or american grip
Snare- matched or traditional
Mallets- (4) stevens or burton

Just keep them involved. Percussionist also like showing off so put that to use. Assign them a student leader (section leader) and give them a workable ensemble. Let them have the spotlight at your next concert for one song instead of just making them backround effects.

Lastly, Percussionist, contrary to popular belief are musicians too. Treat them as musicians. Rehearse them. Pay attention to them other than when they are talking. Engage them in music and they will respond.

Also think of your section leader as your ambassador to a foriegn land. Most likely your section leader will understand the link between the winds and percussionists best so USE him/her to get them to do what you want.

Hope that helps.....

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Posted 24 June 2005 - 04:41 AM

If possible talk to your administrators and see if you can begin a percussion only class. Then you have more time to work on your marching band music in the fall, you can also being a percussion ensemble, find pieces that are fun to play and the kids will enjoy playing them. As you near closer to concert or festival time, work with a few of your kids on the concert music and then set up 2 or 3 after school rehearsals so the percussionist can work with the band. You will be amazed at how well you kids can pick up the concert music after a semister of playing percussion ensemble music. You also get a chance to work with your percussionist more on techniques, and help them learn how to play all the percussion instruments. The biggest problem I see with percussionist going into college is that they are not familer with snare, timpani, and mallets. Most kids only become familier with 1 or 2 during high school. A percussion ensemble class will benifet your program in so many ways.

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Posted 15 December 2005 - 05:18 PM

hmmm....percussion ensemble class? That is a great idea....Thanks!

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